I am more and more ashamed of some of the people I play with...
When DUST was first announced as being exclusive to the PS3... the vitriol against that was almost as juvenile... We ALL wanted it on the PC and we ALL felt having it on a console would NEVER work out... OK, so it turns out we were right and CCP is fixing it and finally giving us the game we SHOULD have had originally AND they have stated categorically that DUST on the PS3 will NOT be abandoned and that DUSTers will be able to migrate their chars over to Legion if they so choose. Personally... I was thrilled at the news, now I can play DUST the way I want to.
All this childish crap about how CCP "always fucks over the playerbase" is the real tripe...
CCP has created EVE Online, the gods damned most intense, immersive, simply the best sandbox MMO in existence. Period. They have worked very hard for TEN YEARS to make a game that is as great as this one IS and THIS shit is how many of us repay them...
IMHO there are many players out there deserve far less than they have done for us.
Funny... yes, in a sad pathetic fucking way its funny.
Dude some Dust players travelled to Fanfest to hear all about their awesome game only to find it's being replaced by a pc port. Worse when the announcement was made there was no statement that characters could be salvageable.
A friend who plays Dust tells me that many of the most invested people have already biomassed their characters.
It was a PR disaster.
Go ahead and blame the players if you like, but they've got my sympathy. The fact that the CPM specifically told CCP whatever you do don't announce this at Fanfest makes it worse.
There was a very clear statement made during CCP Presents (later I'll grant you but still...) that chars would be migrateable and that work will not stop on DUST 415.
I do blame the players... and if you biomass a char over an ANNOUNCEMENT, not a rolled out reality, well... you deserve to find out what a juvenile you were.
And CPM (& CSM) don't get to tell CCP what to do... they can give their opinion but how CCP does it business, it their own business.
Personally, I can't freaking wait! This was, IMHO, how DUST should have been done the first time...
The problem is entirely the gap between the keynote which emphasised Legend and promised features in Legend that would not be coming to DUST and the explanation, a full 24 hours later, that DUST characters would be able to migrate and that some features would be developed on Dust.
It's a long way from dual platform and it seems to me that there's an expectation that Dust will eventually die out.
These games are based on progress. If I grind some rats in Eve I do so in the expectation that somewhere down the line it will be useful to have that isk. If I thought Eve was being replaced by a Ps3 post I'd probably biomass my Eve characters and go play Diablo 3 instead.
"I do blame the players... and if you biomass a char over an ANNOUNCEMENT, not a rolled out reality, well... you deserve to find out what a juvenile you were."
They may or may not deserve to find out what a juvenile they are, but what they are finding out instead is that they sent a clear message to CCP and that now they're happier playing a less buggy, more fun FPS from a better developer. I.e., they've found out that they made an adult decision and it ended up being a win/win--except for CCP, for whom this was a lose/lose. Compared to this actual reality, your hypotheses about what they 'deserve' aren't worth the time it takes to read them.
What relevance does your statement about EVE online being 10 years of a great game have to a Dust player who has never even played EVE? You're rambling on and on, never nearing a real point.
My point is no one at CCP has said DUST 415 is going away... that is an assumption and it only makes asses out of those who make the assumptions without anything other than and an announcement about a new port of an existing game... what, this have NEVER happened before??
When CCP says they are stopping development on DUST THEN I will mourn its passing... not until. If I'm right and they don't, I hope every one who biomassed is told, Sorry, maybe you shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.
If, however DUST 415 does get dropped, I will feel sorry for it's passing, and yes.... then I will say CCP could have handled it better... but not until I have facts at hand... not suppositions and conspiracies.
I think sometimes people are on the verge of quitting anyway and it can take quite a small thing to push them over the edge.
I do think the Dust players were entitled to hear an upbeat optimistic presentation about their game at the Dust keynote. It's the equivalent of your presidential State of the Union.
Whether people were "right" or not to change games is for them to say, not you or I but the way it was presented triggered a lot of latent restiveness that a keynote should assuage.
Compare and contrast with the Eve keynote which really delighted Eve fans.
I suspect too you're being overly optimistic about Dust. When the project was announced we were promised ambitious levels of integration. PI for example, when it was introduced in 2010 was explained as an Eve universe element that Dust players would fight over. That's obviously never going to happen, nor is it likely we'll ever make isk in Eve to buy Dust drop suits or any of the other promised integration.
So funny!
ReplyDeleteI am more and more ashamed of some of the people I play with...
ReplyDeleteWhen DUST was first announced as being exclusive to the PS3... the vitriol against that was almost as juvenile... We ALL wanted it on the PC and we ALL felt having it on a console would NEVER work out... OK, so it turns out we were right and CCP is fixing it and finally giving us the game we SHOULD have had originally AND they have stated categorically that DUST on the PS3 will NOT be abandoned and that DUSTers will be able to migrate their chars over to Legion if they so choose. Personally... I was thrilled at the news, now I can play DUST the way I want to.
All this childish crap about how CCP "always fucks over the playerbase" is the real tripe...
CCP has created EVE Online, the gods damned most intense, immersive, simply the best sandbox MMO in existence. Period. They have worked very hard for TEN YEARS to make a game that is as great as this one IS and THIS shit is how many of us repay them...
IMHO there are many players out there deserve far less than they have done for us.
Funny... yes, in a sad pathetic fucking way its funny.
Dude some Dust players travelled to Fanfest to hear all about their awesome game only to find it's being replaced by a pc port. Worse when the announcement was made there was no statement that characters could be salvageable.
DeleteA friend who plays Dust tells me that many of the most invested people have already biomassed their characters.
It was a PR disaster.
Go ahead and blame the players if you like, but they've got my sympathy. The fact that the CPM specifically told CCP whatever you do don't announce this at Fanfest makes it worse.
It's funny because it's true.
There was a very clear statement made during CCP Presents (later I'll grant you but still...) that chars would be migrateable and that work will not stop on DUST 415.
ReplyDeleteI do blame the players... and if you biomass a char over an ANNOUNCEMENT, not a rolled out reality, well... you deserve to find out what a juvenile you were.
And CPM (& CSM) don't get to tell CCP what to do... they can give their opinion but how CCP does it business, it their own business.
Personally, I can't freaking wait! This was, IMHO, how DUST should have been done the first time...
The problem is entirely the gap between the keynote which emphasised Legend and promised features in Legend that would not be coming to DUST and the explanation, a full 24 hours later, that DUST characters would be able to migrate and that some features would be developed on Dust.
DeleteIt's a long way from dual platform and it seems to me that there's an expectation that Dust will eventually die out.
These games are based on progress. If I grind some rats in Eve I do so in the expectation that somewhere down the line it will be useful to have that isk. If I thought Eve was being replaced by a Ps3 post I'd probably biomass my Eve characters and go play Diablo 3 instead.
"I do blame the players... and if you biomass a char over an ANNOUNCEMENT, not a rolled out reality, well... you deserve to find out what a juvenile you were."
DeleteThey may or may not deserve to find out what a juvenile they are, but what they are finding out instead is that they sent a clear message to CCP and that now they're happier playing a less buggy, more fun FPS from a better developer. I.e., they've found out that they made an adult decision and it ended up being a win/win--except for CCP, for whom this was a lose/lose. Compared to this actual reality, your hypotheses about what they 'deserve' aren't worth the time it takes to read them.
What relevance does your statement about EVE online being 10 years of a great game have to a Dust player who has never even played EVE? You're rambling on and on, never nearing a real point.
My point is no one at CCP has said DUST 415 is going away... that is an assumption and it only makes asses out of those who make the assumptions without anything other than and an announcement about a new port of an existing game... what, this have NEVER happened before??
ReplyDeleteWhen CCP says they are stopping development on DUST THEN I will mourn its passing... not until. If I'm right and they don't, I hope every one who biomassed is told, Sorry, maybe you shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.
If, however DUST 415 does get dropped, I will feel sorry for it's passing, and yes.... then I will say CCP could have handled it better... but not until I have facts at hand... not suppositions and conspiracies.
I think sometimes people are on the verge of quitting anyway and it can take quite a small thing to push them over the edge.
DeleteI do think the Dust players were entitled to hear an upbeat optimistic presentation about their game at the Dust keynote. It's the equivalent of your presidential State of the Union.
Whether people were "right" or not to change games is for them to say, not you or I but the way it was presented triggered a lot of latent restiveness that a keynote should assuage.
Compare and contrast with the Eve keynote which really delighted Eve fans.
I suspect too you're being overly optimistic about Dust. When the project was announced we were promised ambitious levels of integration. PI for example, when it was introduced in 2010 was explained as an Eve universe element that Dust players would fight over. That's obviously never going to happen, nor is it likely we'll ever make isk in Eve to buy Dust drop suits or any of the other promised integration.