tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post8605884094772993688..comments2024-02-07T08:32:53.306+00:00Comments on Stabbed Up: The fun of raidingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-20603913690261561702011-06-11T05:48:59.628+01:002011-06-11T05:48:59.628+01:00Partly that and partly that I think some newcomers...Partly that and partly that I think some newcomers impressions of raiding might be entirely negative - a combination of Tobold summing it up as Dance Dance Revolution and the Onyxia Wipe video.<br /><br />I think it's also true that in other games raiding still has more of the magic/a less jaded player base. In Rift I really do feel like I'm figuring out the fights. Many of them have no attempt at a guide yet. We're reading debuffs and buffs the mobs use and discussing how to play them.<br /><br />My aim in this post was to look at what can be positive about raiding for the benefit of people who not only may never have raided but who may have only read negative things about the sub-game.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-33428740960314498952011-06-10T14:01:12.640+01:002011-06-10T14:01:12.640+01:00Syl - I think that's Stabs' point. He'...Syl - I think that's Stabs' point. He's describing the ideal raiding experience. There seems to be a widely held opinion that WoW's current raidind experience falls short of that on a number of fronts. I don't really want to pre-empt our host's next article, but my own view is that a lot of the learning and (intellectual) challenge has been squeezed out in favour of "Dance, monkey, dance!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-78217179235819970792011-06-10T10:50:40.443+01:002011-06-10T10:50:40.443+01:00While I wish I could agree that all your points we...While I wish I could agree that all your points were true, I feel this is a VERY idealistic look at raiding. I agree it could be all of that, but if we take WoW as an example, it is s-o not that (I have raided every instance in WoW up to Cata as raiding co-lead with no breaks for many years). <br /><br />while tactics can be fun to learn, the reality is that many raid guilds choose the fast way to read up and prep encounters without having been to them. it's about optimization, just like the heavy usage of addons is. <br /><br />the phase of learning is small compared to the long, long loot grind and repetitive performance that will follow for weeks and months afterwards in order to get people geared up. not my idea of fun or interesting, but loot and rewards are such a big focus in WoW today.<br /><br />As for the loot, it's still good but it's certainly seen better times before: raid loot had a much higher status (and stat and looks difference) in vanilla WoW than after WotLK. raidloot is not that prestiguous anymore, in fact many people decide not to bother with raids now because the loot's hardly that different.<br /><br />The 'social status' of raiders has also seen its high times in the past, certainly not today when every instance offers different modes of difficulty and raidsize to let pretty much anyone in. and even if somebody was wearing omg-hardmode-supergear, you wouldn't be able to tell him apart and he'd get nothing out of looking l33t.<br /><br />As for lore - just ask around what people actually know about the lore in the instances or the bosses they are beating in there for weeks, lol...you'll be shocked. <br /><br />I've obviously now given a very negative view of things while having raided so much myself; but I found my own challenges in raiding by being a coordinator. that and enjoying the company of longterm guildmates was what made raiding fun and epic at times. but the loot/social status or lore factors haven't played a role therein for years..Sylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04473554645340972749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-32396277718278254152011-06-08T19:30:12.711+01:002011-06-08T19:30:12.711+01:00I'll admit, I've never raided... but I'...I'll admit, I've never raided... but I'd kinda like to, if only to see if I like it. I just don't want to wait for the endgame to do so. It seems kinda... skeevy to isolate it to the endgame. It's sort of a tease that all too easily goes sour thanks to changed expectations, ingrained play patterns and social cliqueishness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-6884581099971220542011-06-08T03:06:27.095+01:002011-06-08T03:06:27.095+01:00Raiding may be the first type of fun that tends to...Raiding may be the first type of fun that tends to make me angry and frustrated rather than happy.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-56969889281788268822011-06-07T23:00:59.091+01:002011-06-07T23:00:59.091+01:00That, my friend, is a superb question.That, my friend, is a superb question.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-19947522512708104512011-06-07T20:27:20.087+01:002011-06-07T20:27:20.087+01:00If it's so good, why squirrel it away at the e...If it's so good, why squirrel it away at the endgame?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com