tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post5051515789958088424..comments2024-02-07T08:32:53.306+00:00Comments on Stabbed Up: Diablo 3: Selling gold guidesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-38016184004944749762012-02-14T15:19:58.527+00:002012-02-14T15:19:58.527+00:00blizzard has always had a screwy way of looking at...blizzard has always had a screwy way of looking at these things. If they just viewed people that find these exploits as a resource and source for their patch list they'd have less bad publicity and a better game. I think the devs get too personally upset when people keep finding bugs in their software and they overreact. Sounds like bad management who fail to set proper expectations to me.samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08143435412222235822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-60784890818411541562012-02-05T16:58:55.119+00:002012-02-05T16:58:55.119+00:00@ Marcko Ha ha, glad it's worked out well for ...@ Marcko Ha ha, glad it's worked out well for you. <br /><br />@ Degrin yup, from a technical point of view Marcko is quite a loss to their beta. I shudder to think what the guys who are worried by a player salvaging vendor greens in the beta and respond with a ban are going to do when the game goes live and half a million people do the exact same exploit (plus a dozen others). Remember D2 was, for mainstream players, all about trading duped SoJ for duped high level items then pwning with the most broken cookie cutter build on the strat sites.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-72448974676036740782012-02-03T21:58:42.045+00:002012-02-03T21:58:42.045+00:00Didn't they say they are removing the ability ...Didn't they say they are removing the ability to salvage whites from the game? Or was I mistaken?<br /><br />I think in Marcko's case, he was ruining some of their test numbers for the AH. Given that the Beta is a small sample of the actual population, gold farmers have more of an effect. I would say that its better for people like marcko to "break" the system in beta though. This way they can minimize the effects once IRL cash is involved. Since, they can't just hard reset the AH at that point.Leonidashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05992851507675916719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-64056532886081303922012-02-03T06:08:33.584+00:002012-02-03T06:08:33.584+00:00IF Blizzard sells a guide then the third party sit...IF Blizzard sells a guide then the third party sites would have a HUGE advantage in selling their own:<br /><br />"Get the Secret Methods that Blizzard isn't including in their guides."<br /><br />That email you're quoting was received when I asked to get my beta key back two days after the initial ban. What I don't get is why I got the first email about exploiting the economy in the first place. I'm not really sure if the two were the same ban or the second a reasoning for the first or... I dunno. Like you said, this isn't going to stop third parties like me from selling anything.<br /><br />I do however agree that I should have been contacting support (as they emailed me and asked me to do when the game is in retail) before attempting strategies that could be against the spirit of the game.<br /><br />Honestly though, how is buying vendor items and salvaging them against the spirit of the game? It's all up to interpretation on their part and not even worth worrying about imo.<br /><br />I have to thank Blizzard for doing this. I have received quite a bit of traffic and buzz despite all the news about 100,000 beta invites and patch 10/11 happening at the same time.Markcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13403848164475495092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-42277821038565648602012-02-02T17:08:18.920+00:002012-02-02T17:08:18.920+00:00@Scarborn,
If that's his secret technique, th...@Scarborn,<br /><br />If that's his secret technique, that's just stupid. That's exactly the sort of thing that Blizzard should *want* players doing, so they can fix the game. If it's possible to make money breaking things and selling components that way, there's a fundamental flaw of game design being exposed.Teshhttp://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-25762786622193977802012-01-31T00:01:40.106+00:002012-01-31T00:01:40.106+00:00You are correct that abstract information cannot b...You are correct that abstract information cannot be copyrighted. If this went to court, my guess is that it would be a trademark case - i.e. that there's no way to market the information without infringing on Blizzard trademarks. <br /><br />In the context of a terms of use/service/etc violation, however, the discussion is generally moot, because the language generally states that the customer is always wrong.Green Armadillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15564045048380177626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-55889459485292673022012-01-30T15:30:45.898+00:002012-01-30T15:30:45.898+00:00I'm quite certain he did not get banned for th...I'm quite certain he did not get banned for the intention to create a gold guide.<br /><br />It seems much more likely that he got banned for buying the basic magic items from the vendor, salvaging them, and selling the raw mats on the RMAH en masse. <br />He calls this the 'secret strategy' on something like that on his blog, I'm pretty sure Blizzard calls it 'exploiting' though, hence the ban.<br /><br />I do think that a ban is kinda harsh, cause he was actually doing Blizz a favour by uncovering this before release, but I also think he is whining way too much about it.Scarbornhttp://diablo3ah.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-28101927546389521582012-01-30T12:58:36.816+00:002012-01-30T12:58:36.816+00:00@ Gazimoff It's quite likely. It's part of...@ Gazimoff It's quite likely. It's part of the normal lifestyle of a popular product that it goes through a period of seeking alternate ways to profit on the same work. There's some very shrewd business people at Blizzard.<br /><br />On the other hand, as Roq said, gold guides are perhaps seen as being at the tacky end of fan sites, somewhere between EJ and gold selling RMT sites.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-54165736936344315292012-01-30T11:51:59.913+00:002012-01-30T11:51:59.913+00:00I wonder if this is part of a tighter IP crackdown...I wonder if this is part of a tighter IP crackdown. Previously Blizzard have been fairly lax about their IP, allowing people to sell fan art and make YouTube videos. Is all this set to change?Gazimoffhttp://www.manaobscura.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-25864917933122944132012-01-30T10:19:30.081+00:002012-01-30T10:19:30.081+00:00@ Roq I know what you mean but I think it's a ...@ Roq I know what you mean but I think it's a false positive thrown up by our gut reaction that gold is money (which it isn't it's progress). I don't think one can draw an ethical distinction between a raid boss guide and a gold guide, both are about selling game strategy.<br /><br />As to who you want in betas I'm old school, I would want the people who try to break the game in my beta.<br /><br />@ Spinks I don't think they can sell gold guides without people crying fix. Imagine if they nerfed gold income then shortly after advertised their guide. Everyone would assume a connection and be outraged. It might undermine the credibility of the game.<br /><br />Regarding licenced guides they're nothing like the internet information. Those old Prima guides really are relics of the pre-internet age.<br /><br />If a modern guide like Marcko's got a licence then what degree of protection could it reasonably expect? If Blizzard go after every strategy site on in internet with lawyers it's not going to shut everyone up.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-78321063498526473872012-01-30T10:00:04.284+00:002012-01-30T10:00:04.284+00:00What if Blizzard were planning to sell it's ow...What if Blizzard were planning to sell it's own gold making guides or levelling guides? In that case, I think they'd be more than justified on cracking down.<br /><br />(Actually I've often wondered about how the licensed game guide writers feel about the masses of unlicensed guides that are sold for profit. ie. why exactly did they bother paying for that license if Blizzard isn't going to help police it?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-69382052200718171562012-01-30T09:35:15.011+00:002012-01-30T09:35:15.011+00:00There's something a bit seedy about gold guide...There's something a bit seedy about gold guides - not as bad as RM gold selling, but still on the slippery slope, in that the intention of such guides is to circumvent the dev's mechanisms for limiting rewards in order to ensure the game's longevity:<br /><br />Beta testers should really be reporting gold farming methods to Blizz as exploits rather than writing guides about how to do it. So I can see why devs wouldn't want such people in the beta.Roqnoreply@blogger.com