tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post6345975047920337690..comments2024-02-07T08:32:53.306+00:00Comments on Stabbed Up: Happy Guy Fawkes' Night!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-22622214363032483262013-11-22T17:07:25.576+00:002013-11-22T17:07:25.576+00:00Hmm, it's an interesting one.
A lot of the de...Hmm, it's an interesting one.<br /><br />A lot of the development process is necessarily secret and under wraps. Also ideas given at a player meet will often be mere seeds for designer creativity and the actual implementation may be radically different.<br /><br />I guess it depends on the dev. Fozzie recently shouted out a player for thinking of the interceptors should get bubble immunity idea. But it's not always so simple. <br /><br />Can you imagine the drama if a dev shouted out the goons for the destructible high sec pocos idea?Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-68903237531539330962013-11-10T18:31:59.608+00:002013-11-10T18:31:59.608+00:00I think a lot of it has to do with terrible commun...I think a lot of it has to do with terrible communication on CCP's part. Example: at Vegas 13, I was at the Community Roundtable with Gargant, Sabrewing, and Guard. They solicited lots of input from us, but gave virtually ZERO feedback. It was limited to "We'll look into that, "I'll take it under advisement," etc.<br />Note that nobody was attacking or raging at them, everyone who was there was there to provide positive input and be helpful...even with a room full of players who wanted to help them make their community tools and thus their game better, they still couldn't let their hair down and drop the poker-face routine.<br />They need a class in how communication is supposed to work: I give input, you provide feedback. You don't provide feedback, eventually I stop talking to the living wall... :-/Hong WeiLohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14702284760088727892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-59841834206748500052013-11-06T11:11:40.023+00:002013-11-06T11:11:40.023+00:00Well first off, football is a different sport here...Well first off, football is a different sport here and believe me they really don't listen to fans.<br /><br />Regarding protest there's a balance and there's a danger of tipping past the happy medium, not least because there's a cognitive dissonance where because CCP is effectively God within there game people perhaps challenge them as if they were all-powerful in real life, like we'd challenge a government or such.<br /><br />I really don't like player ultimatums like DNSBlack's. In sellling his character for real cash he was basically saying ban me if you dare and of course they didn't dare. That's an example of too much player power I think and likely to demoralise a company.<br /><br />No need to apologise for length :)Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-3301158183660550512013-11-06T03:24:10.297+00:002013-11-06T03:24:10.297+00:00Sorry for the long winded reply .. late night with...Sorry for the long winded reply .. late night with lots of coffee...Ragellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10285176601838226959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-77149662327759415722013-11-06T03:23:35.073+00:002013-11-06T03:23:35.073+00:00Football doesn't tell the paying customers to ...Football doesn't tell the paying customers to HTFU, The NFL bends over backwards to put football onto every TV, phone, and PC it can. It provides every format and spends every moment looking to improve the viewer experience. As for the ref getting a call wrong --- Last year the NFL thought we'll fire all the union refs and bring in replacements --- viewer anger over the officiating brought the NFL billionaire owners to change their views --- go figure protest works. Have you seen the rule changes to protect players --- especially quarterbacks ... that's not love, kindness, and concern, that's a desire by fans to see offense and the NFL responds to that.<br /><br />The problem with CCP isn't that they don't accommodate player protest. The problem is that they refuse to do anything but respond to protest. The vast majority of the issues that engender protests are exactly the ones the the CSM either expressly warns them about or they derp full speed ahead on without talking to anyone. It shouldn't be hard to see that in order to get to a point of less protest and turmoil requires CCP to make very simple changes to their SOP. Blasting monuments and rage threadnaughts don't help the game or the players but I don't think CCP will get anywhere by arguing that their paying customers should complain less ... they have to build positive PR. <br /><br />A lot of times the negative is the only thing out there because no really positive CCP face presents an argument. Telling your customers that you can't present an opinion until you talk to a lawyer isn't a confidence builder. Days after the Somerblink issue was decided and still no official word, really??? Something is better than nothing. And oftentimes CCP offers up nothing.<br /><br />I don't support protesting for the sake of protest .. but both Incarna and the Somerblink issues were issues that carried to the ultimate conclusion could easily have changed the nature of the game in a bad direction and could just have easily killed the company.<br /><br />While I hate the thought that 200 people lost their jobs after Incarna the fact remains that the responsibility for building a company and managing finances to support those jobs doesn't fall on the customers, it was Hilmar's responsibility. Incarna was a clear Institutional Failure with capital letters. As someone paying for (4) accounts for 6 years I don't think it's my fault they weren't spending the money I gave them wisely. There are a lot of hard working and loyal people working for CCP and I hope that their hard-headed management doesn't keep running them into brick walls.Ragellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10285176601838226959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-60574152020227577752013-11-06T02:10:28.934+00:002013-11-06T02:10:28.934+00:00But they're not telling the customers to HTFU ...But they're not telling the customers to HTFU are they? They've accommodated customer protest every time.<br /><br />Now football, there's a game that tells customers to htfu. Think the ref got a decision wrong? Tough. Pretty popular though.<br /><br />Literature's another form of entertainment that tells customers to htfu. Think Macbeth should have more fart jokes? Ain't gonna happen.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8829401646612727780.post-35589809935263608232013-11-05T19:46:14.976+00:002013-11-05T19:46:14.976+00:00Imagine the game without those dissenting voices ....Imagine the game without those dissenting voices .... and then Incarna comes along and no one protests, no monuments get blown up, and no threadnaughts appear. Then CCP as a corporation dies, not with an explosion of player rage, but in a dwindling sigh as no one cares to play anymore.<br /><br />There is a line to draw, but we aren't near it.<br /><br />If there is a culture of protest in Eve, then it's because the past actions of a company whose official policy is HTFU caused it to blossom. When you don't actually take outside opinions into consideration, when every decision is my way or highway, you invite a backlash. CCP reaps want it sows.<br /><br />If CCP wants to never again be in financial extremity then listening to the players that pay money in exchange for entertainment is a good place to start. Can you imagine any other form of entertainment telling it's customer base to HTFU? The funny thing about all of the controversies in Eve is that all of them (100%) could have been avoided by listening to experienced voices in the game and getting outside the corporate offices for information.Ragellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10285176601838226959noreply@blogger.com